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		<title>By: Craig Thomson&#8217;s day in kangaroo court &#171; The Conscience Vote</title>
		<link>http://consciencevote.com.au/2012/05/08/craig-thomson-political-football/#comment-3170</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig Thomson&#8217;s day in kangaroo court &#171; The Conscience Vote]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 06:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The Parliament&#8217;s reputation was in danger! It was a &#8216;stinking, putrid mess&#8217;! Et cetera. They lost no opportunity to cram it into questions to Ministers, interviews with obliging media, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Parliament&#8217;s reputation was in danger! It was a &#8216;stinking, putrid mess&#8217;! Et cetera. They lost no opportunity to cram it into questions to Ministers, interviews with obliging media, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Skyring</title>
		<link>http://consciencevote.com.au/2012/05/08/craig-thomson-political-football/#comment-3002</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skyring]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 23:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Confected outrage&quot;? I guess the lowly-paid hospital cleaners, porters, kitchen hands etc are unmoved by the fact that their union dues are being used in such a way.

Thomson acted outside any reasonable standard of behaviour. Sure, there weren&#039;t any union financial rules saying &quot;Don&#039;t spend union money on prostitutes,&quot; but THERE SHOULDN&#039;T HAVE TO BE!

I agree that Craig Thomson is a political football, but only for those who see government as like a game between two teams, one of which they support and the other one they hate. 

For the swinging voters, this is not the case, and it&#039;s the swingers who will cast the ultimate judgement. Few, if any, believe Thomson&#039;s story.

Gillard certainly doesn&#039;t. She threw the &quot;presumption of innocence&quot; away when she forced him out of the ALP. She&#039;s now just mouthing statements she doesn&#039;t believe, and it&#039;s not winning any hearts and minds. There&#039;s a lot of confected emotions around, but only from those of whom you&#039;d have to say, &quot;Well they would say that, wouldn&#039;t they?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Confected outrage&#8221;? I guess the lowly-paid hospital cleaners, porters, kitchen hands etc are unmoved by the fact that their union dues are being used in such a way.</p>
<p>Thomson acted outside any reasonable standard of behaviour. Sure, there weren&#8217;t any union financial rules saying &#8220;Don&#8217;t spend union money on prostitutes,&#8221; but THERE SHOULDN&#8217;T HAVE TO BE!</p>
<p>I agree that Craig Thomson is a political football, but only for those who see government as like a game between two teams, one of which they support and the other one they hate. </p>
<p>For the swinging voters, this is not the case, and it&#8217;s the swingers who will cast the ultimate judgement. Few, if any, believe Thomson&#8217;s story.</p>
<p>Gillard certainly doesn&#8217;t. She threw the &#8220;presumption of innocence&#8221; away when she forced him out of the ALP. She&#8217;s now just mouthing statements she doesn&#8217;t believe, and it&#8217;s not winning any hearts and minds. There&#8217;s a lot of confected emotions around, but only from those of whom you&#8217;d have to say, &#8220;Well they would say that, wouldn&#8217;t they?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Iain Hall</title>
		<link>http://consciencevote.com.au/2012/05/08/craig-thomson-political-football/#comment-2999</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Iain Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 20:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Marilyn&lt;/strong&gt;
I have seen you run this line elsewhere in your typical style you entirely miss the point with you quest to play bush lawyer and to desperately rely upon legal semantics and some of your usual conspiracy theory based assertions (as in your reference to Kathy Jackson). Now anyone can see from just watching Thompson&#039;s interview with Laurie Oakes that the man is lying through his teeth about the payment of union funds to a brothel. His explanations are totally unconvincing, as unconvincing as a five year old with chocolate icing  smeared all around his face insisting that his imaginary friend ate the cake from the fridge.

You are backing a lost cause here Marilyn and endorsing a former Union heavyweight who has become a dead weight that is dragging down the Gillard government. In fact if the state of the house were different he would have resigned his seat long ago   but Gillard needs his tainted love to survive and there in lays the real scandal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UrRxta8doM]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Marilyn</strong><br />
I have seen you run this line elsewhere in your typical style you entirely miss the point with you quest to play bush lawyer and to desperately rely upon legal semantics and some of your usual conspiracy theory based assertions (as in your reference to Kathy Jackson). Now anyone can see from just watching Thompson&#8217;s interview with Laurie Oakes that the man is lying through his teeth about the payment of union funds to a brothel. His explanations are totally unconvincing, as unconvincing as a five year old with chocolate icing  smeared all around his face insisting that his imaginary friend ate the cake from the fridge.</p>
<p>You are backing a lost cause here Marilyn and endorsing a former Union heavyweight who has become a dead weight that is dragging down the Gillard government. In fact if the state of the house were different he would have resigned his seat long ago   but Gillard needs his tainted love to survive and there in lays the real scandal.<br />
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		<title>By: Marilyn</title>
		<link>http://consciencevote.com.au/2012/05/08/craig-thomson-political-football/#comment-2985</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marilyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 12:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thomson is not alleged to have done anything criminal by anyone though.

The Jacksons and Michael Williamson have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomson is not alleged to have done anything criminal by anyone though.</p>
<p>The Jacksons and Michael Williamson have.</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn</title>
		<link>http://consciencevote.com.au/2012/05/08/craig-thomson-political-football/#comment-2984</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marilyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 12:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It does no such thing, it makes assumptions like this:

Thomson moved to the coast, he bought $2,000 of goods in a memorabilia store, therefore according the shop owner, he bought the goods to increase his profile for politics.

Come on now, no federal court judge is going to read that bullshit and fine anyone, they will laugh.

It assumes that Thomson did not have the go ahead to set up a branch office in Sydney - what?   If he didn&#039;t have the go-ahead they would have called the police and stopped him doing it wouldn&#039;t they.

the problem is all the media know this is a Jackson battle for the top job that goes back 20 years, if they read their own papers they would know that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does no such thing, it makes assumptions like this:</p>
<p>Thomson moved to the coast, he bought $2,000 of goods in a memorabilia store, therefore according the shop owner, he bought the goods to increase his profile for politics.</p>
<p>Come on now, no federal court judge is going to read that bullshit and fine anyone, they will laugh.</p>
<p>It assumes that Thomson did not have the go ahead to set up a branch office in Sydney &#8211; what?   If he didn&#8217;t have the go-ahead they would have called the police and stopped him doing it wouldn&#8217;t they.</p>
<p>the problem is all the media know this is a Jackson battle for the top job that goes back 20 years, if they read their own papers they would know that.</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn</title>
		<link>http://consciencevote.com.au/2012/05/08/craig-thomson-political-football/#comment-2983</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marilyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 12:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ianai, the problem is the FWA report is largely fiction because it claims Thomson breached the non-existent travel and credit card rules.

If something does not exist it cannot be breached.

I would suggest you dive into the arcane and deranged &quot;&quot;reasonings&quot;&quot; - the fact is FWA has no jurisdiction here and Kathy Jackson is a raving lunatic stirring up crap for nearly 20 years to be head of the union.

There is no scandal, just confected outrage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ianai, the problem is the FWA report is largely fiction because it claims Thomson breached the non-existent travel and credit card rules.</p>
<p>If something does not exist it cannot be breached.</p>
<p>I would suggest you dive into the arcane and deranged &#8220;&#8221;reasonings&#8221;" &#8211; the fact is FWA has no jurisdiction here and Kathy Jackson is a raving lunatic stirring up crap for nearly 20 years to be head of the union.</p>
<p>There is no scandal, just confected outrage.</p>
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		<title>By: Skyring</title>
		<link>http://consciencevote.com.au/2012/05/08/craig-thomson-political-football/#comment-2962</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skyring]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 09:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any government passes hundreds of items of legislation. The vast majority are non-controversial and have bipartisan support. Gillard&#039;s problem isn&#039;t the media. She gets all the airtime she wants and senior ministers are seized upon by the media. And then grilled relentlessly over the latest scandal.

Her problem is that she does political deals which might work fine in a union headquarters or party room, but don&#039;t resonate in the real world, where voters get to express their opinion. The carbon tax is a disaster because the world price of carbon credits is a fraction of what it would have to be to create change, and no foreign government in their right mind is going to follow Julia&#039;s lead, given the poor level of popular support the tax enjoys. 

And did you see Wilkie today? He&#039;s just itching to land a kick right where it hurts.

I&#039;d love for Julia, our first female PM to be a raging success in the polls. I don&#039;t particularly like Tony Abbott. But Julia&#039;s low support means that she is stuffing up big time. The voters are now just itching to demonstrate where the real power lies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any government passes hundreds of items of legislation. The vast majority are non-controversial and have bipartisan support. Gillard&#8217;s problem isn&#8217;t the media. She gets all the airtime she wants and senior ministers are seized upon by the media. And then grilled relentlessly over the latest scandal.</p>
<p>Her problem is that she does political deals which might work fine in a union headquarters or party room, but don&#8217;t resonate in the real world, where voters get to express their opinion. The carbon tax is a disaster because the world price of carbon credits is a fraction of what it would have to be to create change, and no foreign government in their right mind is going to follow Julia&#8217;s lead, given the poor level of popular support the tax enjoys. </p>
<p>And did you see Wilkie today? He&#8217;s just itching to land a kick right where it hurts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love for Julia, our first female PM to be a raging success in the polls. I don&#8217;t particularly like Tony Abbott. But Julia&#8217;s low support means that she is stuffing up big time. The voters are now just itching to demonstrate where the real power lies.</p>
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		<title>By: theconsciencevote</title>
		<link>http://consciencevote.com.au/2012/05/08/craig-thomson-political-football/#comment-2961</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[theconsciencevote]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 07:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d say successfully negotiating and operating a functioning minority government, shepherding over 200 pieces of legislation - including major health reforms, carbon pricing and the MRRT, and running the BER (which, despite Coalition rhetoric, was a proven success, with the only exception being a series of rorts from builders in NSW), would count for a start.

The Gillard government&#039;s major failing is not that it does nothing. It&#039;s that it fails to comunicate its achievements and plans well, and lets the Opposition have far too much air. Keating&#039;s government would never have let Abbott grab so much of the media that he appears more often than the Prime Minister - he would have taken the fight to Abbott and damn the torpedoes.

Whoever&#039;s giving Gillard the advice to stay away from media and &#039;play nice&#039; with the Thatcher-ite persona is way off base. Under Rudd she was a forceful and effective communicator, and more than a match for any Opposition attack dog. Now, she&#039;s attempting to be above it all, and failing miserably.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say successfully negotiating and operating a functioning minority government, shepherding over 200 pieces of legislation &#8211; including major health reforms, carbon pricing and the MRRT, and running the BER (which, despite Coalition rhetoric, was a proven success, with the only exception being a series of rorts from builders in NSW), would count for a start.</p>
<p>The Gillard government&#8217;s major failing is not that it does nothing. It&#8217;s that it fails to comunicate its achievements and plans well, and lets the Opposition have far too much air. Keating&#8217;s government would never have let Abbott grab so much of the media that he appears more often than the Prime Minister &#8211; he would have taken the fight to Abbott and damn the torpedoes.</p>
<p>Whoever&#8217;s giving Gillard the advice to stay away from media and &#8216;play nice&#8217; with the Thatcher-ite persona is way off base. Under Rudd she was a forceful and effective communicator, and more than a match for any Opposition attack dog. Now, she&#8217;s attempting to be above it all, and failing miserably.</p>
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		<title>By: theconsciencevote</title>
		<link>http://consciencevote.com.au/2012/05/08/craig-thomson-political-football/#comment-2960</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[theconsciencevote]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 07:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s already been dirt come out about Pyne, Mal Brough and possibly Julie Bishop colluding with Ashby on the Slipper allegations. It&#039;s all rumour, mind you - looks like an attempt to muddy the waters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s already been dirt come out about Pyne, Mal Brough and possibly Julie Bishop colluding with Ashby on the Slipper allegations. It&#8217;s all rumour, mind you &#8211; looks like an attempt to muddy the waters.</p>
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		<title>By: tqft</title>
		<link>http://consciencevote.com.au/2012/05/08/craig-thomson-political-football/#comment-2959</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tqft]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 05:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone know how busy the ALP&#039;s dirt digging unit is?

If the LNP is demanding people start standing down wrt to allegations, one wonders what is going to come out of the woodwork and whether the LNP can manage a triple back-flip with turn and pike to avoid their own suggestion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone know how busy the ALP&#8217;s dirt digging unit is?</p>
<p>If the LNP is demanding people start standing down wrt to allegations, one wonders what is going to come out of the woodwork and whether the LNP can manage a triple back-flip with turn and pike to avoid their own suggestion.</p>
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